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welcome to shattered reality with your

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hosts Kate Valentine and faroush

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prepared to head a paradigm shifted into

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truths questioned and now shattered

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reality okay here we are back in

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shattered reality with after taking a

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nice December parade lovely and before

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we introduce our first guest of 2016 a

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whole new start to shattered reality I

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unfortunately have some upsetting news

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at least it was very upsetting to me one

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of my big heroes astronaut Edgar

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Mitchell who is 85 took a kind of nasty

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fall and he is currently not doing

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splendidly in the hospital so I'm not

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good I'm going to ask everybody to send

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positive intentions Edgar Mitchell's way

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he's 85 years old he is a doctorate in

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science from MIT the co-founder of the

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Institute of noetic sciences and also he

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was the person to take the longest walk

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on the moon of anyone I think he was the

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with the third group that actually

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landed on the moon but I I love Edgar

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Mitchell he when I was a little child I

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always wanted to marry an astronaut and

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then I finally met Edgar Mitchell at a

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brunch don't get married that we didn't

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marry no I gave that up but I'll tell

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you he wrote one of the best books I've

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ever written ever read excuse me and

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that is way of the Explorer and a lot of

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it was good but the best part was the

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first opening pages that was just

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terrific

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okay well I'll have to take another look

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at that it was a great book and so let's

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send the positive energy positive

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intentions toward Edgar Mitchell

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American hero and astronaut but today we

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are absolutely thrilled absolutely

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thrilled to welcome a man who is a

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controversial climatologist he is the

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professor emeritus at the University of

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Arizona his name is guy McPherson his

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website is guy McPherson calm

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interestingly enough and his podcast

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which is an excellent one is nature bats

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last he is known for his bringing forth

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the dangers involving methane release

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into the atmosphere and the concept of

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very rapid climate change now pursuant

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to that we have two news stories about

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that NASA JPL has been monitoring

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methane release in Alaska over the past

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several years and as they would expect

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they thought that the methane would be

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high in the summertime the methane

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released because the ground

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the tundra whatever melts and the

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methane is released but they found out

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this fall that it was being released in

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the cold weather as well that's point

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at an adjoining point is why did they

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study it in the first place if there is

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no problem

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right Kane and the second thing is that

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out in California just outside Los

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Angeles we have a big bank methane leak

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going on that has caused thousands of

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people to be removed from their homes in

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all the children at Porter Ranch now

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have to go to an alternative high school

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down in Los Angeles because of it so

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without further ado ado we're going to

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introduce today's guest the very

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intelligent and interesting and

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fascinating guy McPherson welcome you

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thank you very much on your show that's

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great your seems to be a thesis actually

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human extinction that's not exactly

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right I transmit indicating that we're

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headed in that way but I'm not promoting

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it I'm not I'm not a big man well it

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would be hard to be being a human being

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yourself so give us that for our

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listeners who perhaps have not been to

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your website yet or have not heard

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nature bats last can you give us kind of

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a synopsis of your of your up thoughts

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your your background is in climatology

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and I've been studying climate change

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perspective or through the lens of a

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conservation biologist and conservation

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biologists study extinction events and

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speciation so conservation biologists

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are the ones who have an understanding

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of habitats what it takes for our

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species to persist on the planet and

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what kinds of threats are posed to the

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demise of those species that well that

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into climate change then and so so by

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studying those habitats then that

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brought you into the climate which

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certainly affects habitats right and and

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was studying climate change it was from

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a paleo climatic perspective I was

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of events influenced the ecosystems in

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the past and then well so it throughout

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perspective of the dominant narrative

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which is what most of us know it by this

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this gradual increase in global average

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whether we're ding or unusual events

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things like Katrina you know that the

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big hurricane that hit yes more than ten

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lot of damage and that's because there's

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a lot of energy that builds up in the

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ocean and a quick way to get rid of

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energy is to do it in a funnel or a

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spiral and thus is born Hurricane

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events since then and abundant evidence

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accumulated and put out in various forms

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most notably in the very conservative

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refereed journal ledger and it all

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points to the to the event that's

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underway now which is abrupt climate

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change it's a very different phenomenon

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then that slow linear change most of us

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are familiar with and heard about from

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Al Gore for example so this is it this

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is a much different kind of phenomenon

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going on today than what most of us are

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familiar with and what brought you to

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that conclusion what what were the

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hallmark signs I had been tracking the

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evidence about climate change for quite

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a long time I left active service at the

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University of Arizona I was a tenured

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full professor by the age of 40 there's

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I was very successful and and I left at

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the age of 49 in May of 2009 after 20

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years of service there and became

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professor emeritus now most people think

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really I get to do everything I was

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doing before except get paid I would say

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professor emeritus so I'm 55 now and I

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great and and I just kept up with the

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data and models and forecasts and

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projections about climate change and I

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continued to keep up with the evidence

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research and so on I was working on a

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book with a with a former student of

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mine and it was about climate change

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conclusion then that we had triggered

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events likely to cause our own

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extinction by 2030 or so and and then

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shortly thereafter I discovered the

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concept of global peak oil which points

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to the demise of industrial civilization

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and I thought well here it is here's

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what's going to save us because

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civilization is a heat engine

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civilization is responsible for heating

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up the planet in the form of greenhouse

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gases and if we stop you know and bear

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in mind this is 2003 or 2004 if we stop

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cause our own extinction well obviously

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of 2012 when the number of

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self-reinforcing feedback loops or

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so-called positive feedbacks overwhelmed

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even if even if we turn off the switch

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on civilization now it's too late we've

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triggered events likely to cause our own

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demise in the near future regardless of

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what happens in terms of civilization

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which which teeters on the brink and

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could go pretty much any month

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yeah but anything can happen with the

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civilization yeah civilizations come and

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go and they're not very sustainable yeah

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civilization to take their place in

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conquering somebody would come out and

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conquer the other person or other

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civilization but now I'm not so sure

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that there's anybody around to take our

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and it appears even if industrial

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civilization collapses the most

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horrifying of all civilizations in terms

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of what this civilization does to

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for example into the air into the water

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atmosphere is likely to cause a lot loss

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of habitat for humans within a matter of

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days or weeks yeah and I don't think

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there's going to be a warning sign

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either it'll just boom be upon us and

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that's it well what what do you think I

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are there any tip laughs something that

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trigger the collapse of civilization

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David Cora wicks wrote about them when

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that a disruption in the supply of

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anything significant to civilization

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will cause its worldwide

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collapse within as little as three weeks

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and disruption of anything important

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that means food that is unable to go up

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or down the Mississippi River because it

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gets too dry that means water because of

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water shortage is like we're seeing in

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Rio de Janeiro right now that means a

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disruption of the bond markets because

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the bond vigilantes decide well we're

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not we're gonna not gonna pay this low

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amount we're gonna want a higher amount

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could be a massive deflationary event as

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is we were warned about in late 2008

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with the collapse of Lehman Brothers and

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AIG and so we could have that sort of

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event except now of course the

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derivatives market is is way more over

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stretched than it was then in the

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situation on the financial front as far

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worse so it could be any number of

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three weeks before the whole house of

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cards comes down everywhere in the world

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sort of effort to correct this they

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perhaps they're not as stupid as we most

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people think they are and their experts

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are saying look it's just too late and

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if you start saying things you're going

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to have worldwide panic total disruption

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and social order and so that's possible

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- I have a feeling of course yeah I mean

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and at this point you know we've known

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for quite a long time now that

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civilization itself is a heat engine

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that switching from fossil fuels to

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solar panels and wind turbines which of

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course require fossil fuels for

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construction and maintenance but even if

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we miraculously somehow switch over to

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those overnight civilization itself is a

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heat engine we've known this for many

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years now and and so even if we shut off

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civilization that absence of dimming

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creates so much heat in such a short

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period of time that I don't see any way

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for humans to adapt and if we maintain

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this the heat engine of its civilization

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it's worse every day

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so we're clearly in the situation and

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being damned if you do and damned if you

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don't

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I have a rather morbid question for you

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because in some real way too many people

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overpopulation if you will is the major

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contributor to climate change what a

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major population reduction as in 90 to

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95 percent of the human population

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effect any change to the current outlook

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as morbid as that may be and pursuant to

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that question do you suppose that the

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so-called powers that be any doesn't you

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know no names need be mention any

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country do you suppose that they have

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any plans for radical population

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reduction and all that that implies well

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it could very well be you know we

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haven't done that experiment yet so we

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don't know what the outcome will be it

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would not surprise me if a profound

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reduction in the human population I mean

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that would obviously reduce consumption

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and emissions particularly of greenhouse

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gases would it be so severe that it

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would shut down civilisation completely

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in therefore cause

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an absence of global dimming in

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therefore cause heating I know it's

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pretty difficult balancing act to get

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rid of the enough of the people to get

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rid of the heat engine but keep enough

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people around to sustain the global

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dimming associated with with the

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particulates we put up in the sky and

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and do people besides you and I know

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that of course you know I've been

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writing about this for a long time right

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and as a consequence certainly

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everything I know is known by the NSA

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and and also by these so-called powers

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that be in governments around the world

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right so of course they know that are

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they planning something well your guess

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is as good as mine we had a guest on the

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radio show I think it was three weeks

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ago who indicated that just such a plan

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was in the works and could be

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implemented very soon and this is three

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day four days after he left his job as a

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contractor with the Department of

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Homeland Security a job he'd held for

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the previous 14 years since DHS came

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into being so it could be that that's

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what we're facing I say I refuse to be

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surprised by almost anything anymore

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well you know I you haven't gone in at

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at all to your thoughts about the

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methane and I have we have both been

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spoken to about the government digging

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tunnels underneath various places most

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notably the airport in Colorado in

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Denver is there supposed to be a big

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underground complex yes and some places

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down near you near Dulce New Mexico and

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so forth there's a lot of scuttlebutt

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there do I know firsthand I know nothing

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firsthand just what I hear but when we

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take the methane thoughts that you have

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have come up with the the theory about

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the methane and the probability of the

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methane I don't even want to demote it

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to a theory it's just my verbiage is off

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here a little bit but that wouldn't be

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much of a help to the

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Elite people that would end up in the

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tunnels would it because methane drops

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or am I mistaken well I can think of

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three different ways associated with

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climate change with abrupt climate

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change that we can cause loss of habitat

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for every human being on the planet

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and I can think of another couple of

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ways not including climate change that

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could do the same time because loss of

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habitat for every human being on the

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planet

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methane is one methane from an article

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out just today at Robert scribblers

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website indicates that peak methane is

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approaching 3,000 parts per billion even

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as carbon dioxide in the atmosphere

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jumps to all-time highs for at this time

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of year so NOAA's Madhab station

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indicates a new all-time atmospheric

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high of two thousand nine hundred sixty

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three parts per billion of methane

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that's a huge number especially when you

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consider that in the short term meaning

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less than a decade or two

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methane is more than a hundred times

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more powerful a greenhouse gas than

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carbon dioxide is molecule for molecule

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so that's basically the equivalent of

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nearly 300 parts per million carbon

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dioxide in the atmosphere you add that

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onto the all-time world record 400 parts

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per million carbon dioxide in the

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atmosphere and worth we're at the

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equivalent just counting those two

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greenhouse gases were at the equivalent

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of 700 million co2 remember when we were

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told 350 was the absolute upper limit

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beyond which we could not go right that

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wasn't that long ago if we're at the

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equivalent

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double that now and and people

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constantly tell me that that we're gonna

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figure our way out of this between

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global Demming between methane release

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atmospheric methane and also moistening

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of and this is what I haven't talked

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about so far moistening of the upper

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troposphere I don't see any way out any

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one of those three could easily take us

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beyond the ability of humans to adapt

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and therefore to

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extinction okay so just a question here

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about the upper troposphere I'm not a

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scientist I anticipate rope is fear is

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can you elucidate what would happen as

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it gets wetter yeah and it is getting

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wetter and this is what happens when you

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warm the planet when you warm the planet

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you increase the amount of evaporation

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so the atmosphere becomes wetter and and

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then eventually of course some of that

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precipitation some of that water falls

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out of the atmosphere and you get floods

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like we've never seen in human history

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and that's what we're seeing in

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association with this big El Nino event

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but water vapor which is the most

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dominant greenhouse gas the most

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abundant far more abundant than carbon

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dioxide and methane for example water

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vapor feedback at least doubles the

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amount of warming caused by co2 so if

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there's a one degree sea temperature

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change caused by co2 and there has been

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so far a little over one degree then the

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water vapor will cause a temperature to

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go up at least another one degree C and

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potentially as much as three degrees so

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we're looking at at up to four

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four-and-a-half degrees C just from the

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upper troposphere moistening and that's

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in the short-term and then according to

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Paul back with looking at the methane

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did he made a prediction in November

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2014 at the Lima meetings cop20 and he

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says we could see an abrupt rise just

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from methane in the atmosphere of 5 to 8

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degrees centigrade within a decade or

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two so you add those together and were

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beyond Jurassic Park we're beyond the

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warmest point the planet has known in

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the last 520 million years oh boy really

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those are big numbers yes they are well

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what happened in the last 10 Jurassic

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area that suddenly went into an ice age

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what was I'm sorry I guess I shouldn't

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just throw that in uh when you were

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talking about Jurassic and then

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said okay that was warm but then it was

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followed by an ice age so what happened

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Jer but uh but that's probably gonna get

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you a long asteroid in short no I don't

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know something else but no no well it

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was a feedback type of a loop and but I

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I'm sorry I I just know that that's fine

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and and it's interesting there have been

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essentially two stable states in the

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history of the planet for the last five

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hundred million years or so almost the

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entirety of that 500 million years has

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been at 12 degrees C or Ice Age it's the

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planetary average or 22 degrees C which

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is Jurassic Park or or hot house earth

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so those are the two stable states over

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long periods of time essentially nothing

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in between for an extended period of

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time that's you know we only came to

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this relatively stable state that that

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allows civilization to arise within the

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last few thousand years this is

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something new and it it has been

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reflected once before about 480 million

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years ago there was a short period when

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it was where we're at now about 15

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degrees centigrade global average

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temperature and and it didn't last long

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and we don't know we know a lot about

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what causes the temperature to increase

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suddenly and the self-reinforcing

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feedback loops associated with that most

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notably the Siberian traps and the

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methane released from them due to

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volcanism and carbon dioxide as it comes

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out of the ocean and in trigger seas

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relatively abrupt warming events but we

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don't know a lot about the

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self-reinforcing feedback loops that are

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negative is it because there's a decline

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in temperature quite suddenly yes there

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have been asteroids that have struck the

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earth in the past and caused a pretty

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rapid cooling but then 'men it's it's

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not as if there's suddenly a bunch of

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plants that are taking up carbon dioxide

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or removing from the atmosphere or much

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phytoplankton in the ocean again plants

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that are doing the same thing so we

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don't understand how the situation goes

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into reverse and causes ice age nearly

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as well as we understand the oppressors

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in temperature what about the changing

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of the Gulf Stream

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the the kind of cooling that would

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result from the gulfstream not working

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any longer yeah that would be a regional

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cooling and it appears that that's

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underway as predicted by a couple of

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consultants for the Pentagon in 2003

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guys named Schwartz and Randall and they

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had early made a pretty earlier made a

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prediction that sort of shocked

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everybody when it came true year or so

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in advance they predicted the collapse

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of the Soviet Union nobody much saw that

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coming so when they predicted that the

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thermohaline conveyor belt or the Gulf

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Stream would stop or reverse course and

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caused abrupt cooling in 2003 they were

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similarly looked at askance but now they

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have this record oh they got the Soviet

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Union so and they did their research and

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and and they you know reported the

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information that was available at the

550
00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:22,429
time that would cause and perhaps even

551
00:25:30,909 --> 00:25:28,130
is causing cooling and and moistening

552
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:30,919
cooling in increased precipitation in

553
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:35,290
Western Europe and maybe even northern

554
00:25:41,230 --> 00:25:38,330
Europe and northern northeastern North

555
00:25:44,830 --> 00:25:41,240
America that could be going on but it's

556
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:44,840
a regional phenomenon it's really

557
00:25:49,270 --> 00:25:47,120
shifting the energy from one part of the

558
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:49,280
earth to another it's not causing and

559
00:25:58,810 --> 00:25:53,330
overall cooling in the planet right I

560
00:26:03,400 --> 00:25:58,820
was also wondering - well just I'd have

561
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:03,410
to go back to that Ice Age thing and you

562
00:26:08,890 --> 00:26:05,690
know you talk I don't know it's just

563
00:26:12,580 --> 00:26:08,900
that well I don't understand what you

564
00:26:14,140 --> 00:26:12,590
mean by global dimming I was I mean

565
00:26:15,789 --> 00:26:14,150
obviously I know what dimming means but

566
00:26:25,049 --> 00:26:15,799
what are you referring to when you say

567
00:26:28,530 --> 00:26:25,059
dimming the the in in addition to the

568
00:26:31,090 --> 00:26:28,540
atmospheric particles produced by

569
00:26:33,490 --> 00:26:31,100
industrial activity that cause warming

570
00:26:35,230 --> 00:26:33,500
of the planet and in most of us are

571
00:26:38,409 --> 00:26:35,240
familiar with carbon dioxide for example

572
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:38,419
and methane much of that methane comes

573
00:26:43,150 --> 00:26:40,640
from livestock emissions just as one

574
00:26:45,659 --> 00:26:43,160
example okay so we know that those

575
00:26:50,169 --> 00:26:45,669
particles act as a blanket that once

576
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:50,179
long-wave radiation is enters the

577
00:26:53,230 --> 00:26:51,770
atmosphere it gets trapped in the

578
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:53,240
atmosphere it can't get out it's like

579
00:26:58,930 --> 00:26:56,240
putting blankets on ourself on a winter

580
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:58,940
night to stay warm the heat source is

581
00:27:03,460 --> 00:27:01,520
civilization the blankets that are

582
00:27:05,290 --> 00:27:03,470
holding the heat close to the earth are

583
00:27:08,830 --> 00:27:05,300
things like carbon dioxide and water

584
00:27:11,650 --> 00:27:08,840
vapor and methane okay so that's that's

585
00:27:13,419 --> 00:27:11,660
the one side of those particles that we

586
00:27:17,370 --> 00:27:13,429
put up into atmosphere the other side of

587
00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:17,380
them is that especially aerosols and

588
00:27:22,780 --> 00:27:20,510
sulfates from for example burning

589
00:27:25,330 --> 00:27:22,790
low-quality coal which is loaded with

590
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:25,340
sulfur we put those up into the

591
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:28,480
atmosphere as well and they reflect

592
00:27:35,230 --> 00:27:31,730
potentially incoming solar radiation so

593
00:27:39,310 --> 00:27:35,240
they act as a you know you know those

594
00:27:42,159 --> 00:27:39,320
aluminum colored space blankets yes yeah

595
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:42,169
that are so efficient and you know

596
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:44,960
reflecting and trapping well it appears

597
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:48,290
that those particulates dim the incoming

598
00:27:52,780 --> 00:27:50,480
radiation by smacking it back out into

599
00:27:55,659 --> 00:27:52,790
space by reflecting it back in the space

600
00:27:57,100 --> 00:27:55,669
of aerosols and sulfates in particular

601
00:28:00,010 --> 00:27:57,110
up there in the atmosphere and a

602
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:00,020
reflecting potentially incoming solar

603
00:28:04,930 --> 00:28:01,970
radiation and not allowing it to get

604
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:04,940
into the earth at all well we observed

605
00:28:09,070 --> 00:28:07,490
some guy went out on September 14th he

606
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:09,080
looks up in the sky and he says wow this

607
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:11,090
guy is so blue without all the airplanes

608
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:13,130
flying over this was in the United

609
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:16,490
States and in the wake of September 11

610
00:28:22,180 --> 00:28:20,330
2001 this was September 14 2001 he looks

611
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:22,190
up and he says I wonder if that has any

612
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:24,530
effect I wonder if that changes the

613
00:28:28,810 --> 00:28:26,799
temperature signal of the earth by

614
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:28,820
airplanes in the United States not

615
00:28:32,590 --> 00:28:30,080
flying now bear in mind we were still

616
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:32,600
burning coal mm-hmm you know we're still

617
00:28:37,210 --> 00:28:35,120
doing all these all these industrial

618
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:37,220
activities and they're still flying in

619
00:28:41,470 --> 00:28:39,290
other countries just out of the United

620
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:41,480
States and the global average

621
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:45,200
temperature signal was affected by just

622
00:28:50,970 --> 00:28:49,090
us planes not flying and measurably so

623
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:50,980
three days later

624
00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:53,440
Wow so there's a there's a documentary

625
00:29:00,659 --> 00:28:58,240
put out by BBC in 2005 so it's just over

626
00:29:03,570 --> 00:29:00,669
ten years old now there's refereed

627
00:29:06,419 --> 00:29:03,580
journal literature dating back to 2006

628
00:29:09,780 --> 00:29:06,429
with several papers since then about the

629
00:29:13,260 --> 00:29:09,790
impacts of dimming and what happens when

630
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:13,270
the dimming particulates go away when

631
00:29:16,350 --> 00:29:14,770
they all fall back down to earth and

632
00:29:18,690 --> 00:29:16,360
it's not pretty

633
00:29:22,049 --> 00:29:18,700
in terms of rapid temperature rise at a

634
00:29:24,990 --> 00:29:22,059
planetary scale Wow thank you I have a

635
00:29:28,860 --> 00:29:25,000
question that came in from one of our

636
00:29:31,610 --> 00:29:28,870
loyal listeners who is Rosalie she's a

637
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:31,620
23 year old engineer from Rhode Island

638
00:29:39,330 --> 00:29:36,130
she has two questions she wants to know

639
00:29:43,289 --> 00:29:39,340
is there any hope one and what's your

640
00:29:45,620 --> 00:29:43,299
plan guy she asks she adds that she'd

641
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:45,630
like to get some land and become a

642
00:29:56,130 --> 00:29:52,480
self-sustaining farmer sure I'm pretty

643
00:30:01,940 --> 00:29:56,140
Hope free in my life these days hope for

644
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:01,950
me is the is the other side of the coin

645
00:30:07,620 --> 00:30:06,250
that has fear on the one side we fear

646
00:30:09,330 --> 00:30:07,630
what might happen in the future we hope

647
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:09,340
for something to happen in the future

648
00:30:15,090 --> 00:30:11,650
but it's wishful thinking right and so

649
00:30:18,990 --> 00:30:15,100
so I don't I don't have hope in that

650
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:19,000
sense I promote action and and if you're

651
00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:21,760
if you're doing what you love I strongly

652
00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:23,679
support people doing that and especially

653
00:30:30,330 --> 00:30:27,910
if it means following my path which is

654
00:30:32,930 --> 00:30:30,340
walking away from imperialism walking

655
00:30:36,210 --> 00:30:32,940
away from industrial civilization and

656
00:30:39,570 --> 00:30:36,220
living quote off the land or in this

657
00:30:42,690 --> 00:30:39,580
case on the land yes and and do I think

658
00:30:43,890 --> 00:30:42,700
that will change the outcome no no I

659
00:30:47,340 --> 00:30:43,900
know in fact if everybody did that

660
00:30:50,039 --> 00:30:47,350
tomorrow because of the reduction in

661
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:50,049
particular its we would experience such

662
00:30:53,340 --> 00:30:51,490
an abrupt rise in global average

663
00:30:55,530 --> 00:30:53,350
temperature because the lack of global

664
00:30:59,690 --> 00:30:55,540
dimming that we'd probably lose habitat

665
00:31:03,299 --> 00:30:59,700
for humans in a matter of days Wow

666
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:03,309
but but I'm not I'm not promoting or

667
00:31:08,249 --> 00:31:04,809
proposing in a

668
00:31:10,590 --> 00:31:08,259
gen-i I strongly encourage people to

669
00:31:13,619 --> 00:31:10,600
take action but for from the sort of

670
00:31:15,450 --> 00:31:13,629
Buddhist perspective I recommend that

671
00:31:18,060 --> 00:31:15,460
people not become too attached to the

672
00:31:21,299 --> 00:31:18,070
out film because I think the outcome at

673
00:31:23,070 --> 00:31:21,309
this point is pretty much locked in yes

674
00:31:24,779 --> 00:31:23,080
you know we're gonna lose habitat for

675
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:24,789
humans and in the not very distant

676
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:27,730
future and no matter what we do so do

677
00:31:31,889 --> 00:31:29,679
what you love try to take the right

678
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:31,899
actions not be too detached to the

679
00:31:38,879 --> 00:31:34,480
outcome and that's that's a story that I

680
00:31:40,190 --> 00:31:38,889
think we can all adopt and accept no

681
00:31:44,580 --> 00:31:40,200
matter what we believe

682
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:44,590
so actually in essence this sort of

683
00:31:50,519 --> 00:31:46,330
crisis situation has been brought about

684
00:31:53,249 --> 00:31:50,529
by the internal combustion engine in its

685
00:31:55,889 --> 00:31:53,259
various forms yes the Industrial

686
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:55,899
Revolution or the industrial version of

687
00:32:00,180 --> 00:31:58,480
civilization definitely civilizations

688
00:32:01,980 --> 00:32:00,190
arose a few thousand years ago at least

689
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:01,990
seven places around the planet more or

690
00:32:06,180 --> 00:32:03,850
less at the same time and there are

691
00:32:09,869 --> 00:32:06,190
consequences for any civilization that

692
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:09,879
involve a great disparity and wealth

693
00:32:16,019 --> 00:32:12,970
that involve a degradation of habitat

694
00:32:18,659 --> 00:32:16,029
for humans and so on but but that's been

695
00:32:20,489 --> 00:32:18,669
within the last let's say 300 400 years

696
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:20,499
and then prior to that there have been

697
00:32:26,279 --> 00:32:23,049
some very successful civilizations

698
00:32:29,149 --> 00:32:26,289
although not technical and yet this

699
00:32:34,049 --> 00:32:29,159
global warming has been coming along for

700
00:32:36,210 --> 00:32:34,059
back in that era as well right so so

701
00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:36,220
that even though so the Industrial

702
00:32:40,529 --> 00:32:38,289
Revolution then would have sped up the

703
00:32:43,230 --> 00:32:40,539
process but not really affected it more

704
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:43,240
than that well you know we know that the

705
00:32:49,919 --> 00:32:46,330
planet has experienced these two

706
00:32:53,970 --> 00:32:49,929
relatively stable states hot house and

707
00:32:55,859 --> 00:32:53,980
Ice Age okay and and so over a long

708
00:32:58,590 --> 00:32:55,869
enough time scale of course we're going

709
00:33:01,980 --> 00:32:58,600
to enter one or both of those states

710
00:33:05,999 --> 00:33:01,990
that's what that's with the records for

711
00:33:08,730 --> 00:33:06,009
the last 500 500 million years are

712
00:33:10,909 --> 00:33:08,740
telling us we certainly have accelerated

713
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:10,919
the process through industrial activity

714
00:33:15,180 --> 00:33:13,600
why are they not to be funny but back in

715
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:15,190
the Jurassic era where you did have

716
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:17,679
these huge beasts the dinosaurs which I

717
00:33:20,770 --> 00:33:18,320
am sure

718
00:33:23,050 --> 00:33:20,780
produced best Seder unbelievable rate I

719
00:33:26,860 --> 00:33:23,060
wonder if that was what triggered it off

720
00:33:28,780 --> 00:33:26,870
even back then I don't know I've just I

721
00:33:34,420 --> 00:33:28,790
I you really gave me a lot of reason to

722
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:34,430
sink in them it's just yes because and

723
00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:39,440
they're not happy so yeah but yeah I'm

724
00:33:43,780 --> 00:33:42,110
wondering you know having had personal

725
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:43,790
experience with a great number of cows

726
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:46,640
and that's only like 30 or 40 in a barn

727
00:33:52,930 --> 00:33:49,850
I I can tell you the methane gets up

728
00:33:55,300 --> 00:33:52,940
pretty high pretty fast right especially

729
00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:55,310
fed the right kind of grain but yeah I

730
00:34:00,400 --> 00:33:58,490
wonder if maybe it wasn't just the

731
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:00,410
asteroid maybe the dinosaurs are

732
00:34:04,990 --> 00:34:02,210
bringing things around anybody I don't

733
00:34:08,350 --> 00:34:05,000
know who knows but they they did

734
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:08,360
speculate during the last great flood

735
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:11,330
that there was a critical mass of human

736
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:13,370
population that was necessary to

737
00:34:18,150 --> 00:34:16,130
preserve the race and I think someone

738
00:34:22,510 --> 00:34:18,160
speculated that it was approximately

739
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:22,520
2,000 people worldwide since there's

740
00:34:27,850 --> 00:34:24,530
gonna be some survivors in caves

741
00:34:30,010 --> 00:34:27,860
somewhere somehow probably and they may

742
00:34:32,370 --> 00:34:30,020
reproduce and then maybe everything will

743
00:34:35,020 --> 00:34:32,380
cool down and go back to the 12 degree

744
00:34:37,390 --> 00:34:35,030
and there may be a temperate climate

745
00:34:40,210 --> 00:34:37,400
somewhere in between you think but

746
00:34:42,780 --> 00:34:40,220
there's absolutely no hope whatsoever is

747
00:34:45,790 --> 00:34:42,790
what you're saying well the last time

748
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:45,800
the last time it was warm the last time

749
00:34:53,710 --> 00:34:48,970
we were in hothouse uh-huh was from

750
00:34:55,930 --> 00:34:53,720
roughly 135 million to roughly 45

751
00:34:58,660 --> 00:34:55,940
million years ago so you know in the

752
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:58,670
neighborhood 90 million years mm-hmm 90

753
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:00,320
million years without habitat for humans

754
00:35:05,110 --> 00:35:03,200
is a long time yep so far Homo sapiens

755
00:35:06,970 --> 00:35:05,120
has been here 2.8 million years we just

756
00:35:09,580 --> 00:35:06,980
need the last 30 times that long a

757
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:09,590
little more and and then come out the

758
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:11,090
other side until we started entering the

759
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:13,910
Ice Age in addition when civilization

760
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:17,810
collapses surely it will that's not the

761
00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:20,570
only issue it's not just heating that is

762
00:35:26,650 --> 00:35:22,510
the issue here there's something

763
00:35:29,650 --> 00:35:26,660
arguably more important it's the

764
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:29,660
catastrophic meltdown of 445 nuclear

765
00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:30,960
power plants around the world

766
00:35:35,329 --> 00:35:33,510
oh yeah that's true too yeah we've

767
00:35:38,359 --> 00:35:35,339
already seen what it did to the Pacific

768
00:35:40,730 --> 00:35:38,369
Ocean yeah if we care to look yeah this

769
00:35:42,650 --> 00:35:40,740
is right yeah doesn't look too good huh

770
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:42,660
absolutely and and people will let

771
00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:44,720
smarter have me than me have argued that

772
00:35:51,500 --> 00:35:47,910
Fukushima alone is an extinction-level

773
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:51,510
event for humans on this planet and and

774
00:35:57,020 --> 00:35:55,890
that's one plant hundreds yeah well you

775
00:36:07,400 --> 00:35:57,030
know what I'm not even gonna buy the

776
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:07,410
lottery ticket that's it absolutely

777
00:36:14,510 --> 00:36:10,530
absolutely I agree with that I want to

778
00:36:17,690 --> 00:36:14,520
just let our listeners know that you can

779
00:36:20,540 --> 00:36:17,700
be found at night fearsome calm that you

780
00:36:24,430 --> 00:36:20,550
have an excellent podcast called nature

781
00:36:30,170 --> 00:36:24,440
bats last and I wanted to also thank

782
00:36:31,550 --> 00:36:30,180
thank Linda jeez Linda LeBlanc I always

783
00:36:33,290 --> 00:36:31,560
want to call her something less name

784
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:33,300
something else whoo

785
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:36,410
what put me on to you about a year ago

786
00:36:42,170 --> 00:36:39,210
at a meeting that we attended together

787
00:36:44,660 --> 00:36:42,180
and she told me a very distressing

788
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:44,670
methane scenario that she had heard from

789
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:47,970
you and where we might not be able to

790
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:50,250
breathe and you also have a fairly

791
00:36:55,220 --> 00:36:53,130
famous quote out there if you think

792
00:36:57,290 --> 00:36:55,230
money is very important try counting it

793
00:36:59,329 --> 00:36:57,300
when you can't breather something of

794
00:37:01,730 --> 00:36:59,339
that nature I'm not I'm not really good

795
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:01,740
quote er but that's where it's so can

796
00:37:06,380 --> 00:37:04,560
you elucidate that a little bit yeah I

797
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:06,390
said this years ago when I was a speaker

798
00:37:12,380 --> 00:37:09,410
tour if you think the environment is

799
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:12,390
less important than the economy try

800
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:14,130
holding your breath while counting your

801
00:37:18,650 --> 00:37:16,050
money exactly yes

802
00:37:20,540 --> 00:37:18,660
and and that's that's really where we

803
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:20,550
are I mean in this culture we've managed

804
00:37:29,089 --> 00:37:27,210
to monetize every single thing air look

805
00:37:32,270 --> 00:37:29,099
what's happening we're sending air from

806
00:37:35,900 --> 00:37:32,280
Canada to Beijing and charging money for

807
00:37:38,060 --> 00:37:35,910
it we monetize oh yeah yeah you can't

808
00:37:40,130 --> 00:37:38,070
breathe there's no clean air in a couple

809
00:37:41,329 --> 00:37:40,140
of cities in China absolutely so people

810
00:37:44,359 --> 00:37:41,339
are willing to pay almost anything to

811
00:37:46,759 --> 00:37:44,369
breathe of course you can't see your

812
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:46,769
and in front of your face you literally

813
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:49,920
cannot see across the street and it's

814
00:37:55,549 --> 00:37:53,130
not like fog it's orange and you know

815
00:37:58,700 --> 00:37:55,559
it's killing you and when you see little

816
00:38:01,819 --> 00:37:58,710
children walking around in Beijing you

817
00:38:02,690 --> 00:38:01,829
wonder what could their parents possibly

818
00:38:07,099 --> 00:38:02,700
be thinking

819
00:38:08,529 --> 00:38:07,109
Wow yes it's true I have another another

820
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:08,539
question here

821
00:38:14,299 --> 00:38:12,089
shattered reality podcast deals with

822
00:38:16,849 --> 00:38:14,309
edge science of different sorts from

823
00:38:20,420 --> 00:38:16,859
time to time and often we deal with

824
00:38:24,019 --> 00:38:20,430
consciousness and because matter

825
00:38:26,989 --> 00:38:24,029
consists of atoms as has been found by

826
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:26,999
physicists to be almost empty space and

827
00:38:33,980 --> 00:38:31,170
because through the famous double slit

828
00:38:35,690 --> 00:38:33,990
experiment with electrons has proven

829
00:38:39,470 --> 00:38:35,700
that observation and therefore

830
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:39,480
consciousness has an effect on matter do

831
00:38:45,650 --> 00:38:42,240
you believe that consciousness can have

832
00:38:48,890 --> 00:38:45,660
an effect on climate change and it's

833
00:38:50,809 --> 00:38:48,900
concurrent effects secondly do you

834
00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:50,819
believe that any non-physical

835
00:38:56,559 --> 00:38:53,730
intelligences can have an effect on the

836
00:38:59,150 --> 00:38:56,569
3d world in which we live biologically I

837
00:39:10,670 --> 00:38:59,160
know that's a to bigger but this was

838
00:39:14,029 --> 00:39:10,680
just an hour show there are a lot of

839
00:39:22,999 --> 00:39:14,039
things we don't know I've seen no

840
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:23,009
evidence to suggest that we much control

841
00:39:28,759 --> 00:39:25,680
over our consciousness to begin with and

842
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:28,769
that if we all come together as an act

843
00:39:33,849 --> 00:39:30,930
of human consciousness and by the way

844
00:39:36,349 --> 00:39:33,859
these predicaments we face are really

845
00:39:42,289 --> 00:39:36,359
predicaments of consciousness of human

846
00:39:47,049 --> 00:39:42,299
consciousness so if we all change paths

847
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:47,059
if we become more enlightened if we

848
00:39:52,609 --> 00:39:50,160
experiencing a rapid wave in human

849
00:39:55,700 --> 00:39:52,619
consciousness will that solve the

850
00:39:57,930 --> 00:39:55,710
situation it would surprise me based on

851
00:40:02,609 --> 00:39:57,940
the evidence I've seen but as I said

852
00:40:04,650 --> 00:40:02,619
or yeah I think we should attempt to do

853
00:40:06,809 --> 00:40:04,660
what's right to take those right actions

854
00:40:10,290 --> 00:40:06,819
from the Buddhist perspective regardless

855
00:40:13,530 --> 00:40:10,300
of the outcome so that's why I go around

856
00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:13,540
telling people the evidence that I have

857
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:15,730
at my disposal I'm frequently disparaged

858
00:40:22,170 --> 00:40:20,560
for that because clearly if we can't fix

859
00:40:23,970 --> 00:40:22,180
it then why should I go around telling

860
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:23,980
people that's like telling people you're

861
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:25,450
going to die well of course everybody

862
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:27,010
knows they're going to die so they don't

863
00:40:30,780 --> 00:40:29,050
need the reminder and it makes me some

864
00:40:35,849 --> 00:40:30,790
somewhat of a bummer at parties when I

865
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:35,859
bring that stuff up but but I think you

866
00:40:40,170 --> 00:40:37,599
know you know climate scientists people

867
00:40:42,270 --> 00:40:40,180
who know and bear in mind that most

868
00:40:44,910 --> 00:40:42,280
climate scientists are not biologists

869
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:44,920
and don't have an understanding of

870
00:40:49,650 --> 00:40:48,160
ecosystem processes so maybe they really

871
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:49,660
don't know maybe if you're a physicist

872
00:40:54,510 --> 00:40:51,609
maybe if you're an engineer and that's

873
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:54,520
your educational background as a climate

874
00:40:58,140 --> 00:40:56,079
scientist maybe you really believe that

875
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:58,150
we can survive anything including

876
00:41:03,089 --> 00:41:01,119
Jurassic Park plus nuclear ionizing

877
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:03,099
radiation no I think that would be

878
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:05,770
absurd but maybe some people actually

879
00:41:09,540 --> 00:41:08,410
believe that so I'm constantly told that

880
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:09,550
I shouldn't go around telling people

881
00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:11,680
this but I think the people who do know

882
00:41:17,970 --> 00:41:15,250
and stop a stop a step short and say

883
00:41:19,859 --> 00:41:17,980
that we need to have hope and that that

884
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:19,869
if we just do these three things right

885
00:41:25,950 --> 00:41:21,970
squirt of light bulbs which into Priuses

886
00:41:27,930 --> 00:41:25,960
and and for going hot showers that it's

887
00:41:31,050 --> 00:41:27,940
all going to be fine I think that's

888
00:41:32,849 --> 00:41:31,060
malpractice actually we are in the midst

889
00:41:35,069 --> 00:41:32,859
of abrupt climate change it's almost

890
00:41:37,740 --> 00:41:35,079
certain to cause human extinction in a

891
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:37,750
not very distant future and so to tell

892
00:41:42,510 --> 00:41:39,250
people otherwise so that you can keep

893
00:41:46,829 --> 00:41:42,520
your paycheck to me screams malpractice

894
00:41:49,020 --> 00:41:46,839
yes and I've heard you castigate a few

895
00:41:51,780 --> 00:41:49,030
of the other climate scientists

896
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:51,790
including a woman who was kind of you

897
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:53,530
know make some somewhat laughable

898
00:42:00,990 --> 00:41:56,560
statements but I think that probably

899
00:42:05,010 --> 00:42:01,000
goes off the grid for our our listeners

900
00:42:08,670 --> 00:42:05,020
they totally unaware of that that

901
00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:08,680
direction except for maybe James Hansen

902
00:42:14,370 --> 00:42:11,710
the former NASA fellow I think may maybe

903
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:14,380
people know of him and he did quit his

904
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:17,440
job too and he did protest the Excel

905
00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:19,930
pipeline and so forth so it does seem as

906
00:42:23,940 --> 00:42:21,250
though his heart is in the right place

907
00:42:25,410 --> 00:42:23,950
and if it weren't for him a lot of

908
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:25,420
people in the united states wouldn't

909
00:42:30,690 --> 00:42:28,450
even know about global warming that's

910
00:42:34,260 --> 00:42:30,700
right he went before Congress in 1988

911
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:34,270
and made a profound statement and and

912
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:35,920
said that we need to do something about

913
00:42:42,740 --> 00:42:38,650
this right now or were in real trouble

914
00:42:47,130 --> 00:42:42,750
well that was 1988 we're in real trouble

915
00:42:49,470 --> 00:42:47,140
I do it definitely his his heart is in

916
00:42:51,810 --> 00:42:49,480
the right place he is trying to ring the

917
00:42:55,740 --> 00:42:51,820
alarm he's just not getting a lot of

918
00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:55,750
attention and everybody including to a

919
00:43:00,329 --> 00:42:58,450
certain extent him thinks that climate

920
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:00,339
change is a problem the grandchildren

921
00:43:04,530 --> 00:43:03,280
will need to solve after all his 2007

922
00:43:06,690 --> 00:43:04,540
book was called storms of my

923
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:06,700
grandchildren it wasn't called storms of

924
00:43:13,260 --> 00:43:09,730
today right even though it came out post

925
00:43:16,589 --> 00:43:13,270
Katrina and right before Hurricane sandy

926
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:16,599
and Haiyan struck the Philippines less

927
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:20,650
than two years ago so you know there yes

928
00:43:25,470 --> 00:43:23,680
there are shades of gray here and or in

929
00:43:28,620 --> 00:43:25,480
many ways James Hansen has been doing

930
00:43:31,140 --> 00:43:28,630
the right thing for a long time yeah

931
00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:31,150
well getting back to Katrina a lot of

932
00:43:38,250 --> 00:43:33,910
people sort of intimated that perhaps

933
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:38,260
HAARP the not it's an acronym H AARP

934
00:43:46,829 --> 00:43:43,839
double-a RP o HW was but possibly used

935
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:46,839
to redirect Katrina over a major city

936
00:43:51,630 --> 00:43:49,210
and I mean that that's a conspiracy

937
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:51,640
theorist type thing but Begich is the

938
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:54,640
focal Vega Jews from Alaska and wrote a

939
00:44:00,359 --> 00:43:56,560
terrific book angels don't play this

940
00:44:03,150 --> 00:44:00,369
harp but had you heard anything about

941
00:44:06,060 --> 00:44:03,160
that is that use just simply for weather

942
00:44:08,490 --> 00:44:06,070
control and nasty things or is a

943
00:44:11,220 --> 00:44:08,500
government trying to figure things out

944
00:44:13,230 --> 00:44:11,230
well the United States abandoned their

945
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:13,240
research with HAARP

946
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:16,330
which was intended as a as a weather

947
00:44:20,970 --> 00:44:18,160
manipulation okay atmosphere

948
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:20,980
manipulation project but they abandoned

949
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:24,640
that project a few years ago is it still

950
00:44:27,660 --> 00:44:25,690
going

951
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:27,670
I don't know and I haven't seen any

952
00:44:33,509 --> 00:44:28,720
compelling evidence

953
00:44:35,220 --> 00:44:33,519
yeah it's but but again I don't know

954
00:44:37,470 --> 00:44:35,230
there you know there's lots of things I

955
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:37,480
don't know if you want the full list you

956
00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:38,650
can check with my wife as with most

957
00:44:54,599 --> 00:44:50,529
buses so she has it right there okay

958
00:44:58,920 --> 00:44:54,609
well yeah as far as government projects

959
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:58,930
go having known a number of the

960
00:45:04,259 --> 00:45:00,880
government former government remote

961
00:45:05,549 --> 00:45:04,269
viewers personally and knowing that the

962
00:45:09,630 --> 00:45:05,559
government said they stopped that

963
00:45:12,299 --> 00:45:09,640
program I'm not sure yeah I'm not sure

964
00:45:15,180 --> 00:45:12,309
so if that's any indication of anything

965
00:45:17,279 --> 00:45:15,190
but we don't know yeah it does get to be

966
00:45:19,170 --> 00:45:17,289
so aggravating you know there's a bunch

967
00:45:21,509 --> 00:45:19,180
of little fellas running around playing

968
00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:21,519
government you know it's just like press

969
00:45:27,779 --> 00:45:25,569
up morons well certainly we certainly

970
00:45:31,769 --> 00:45:27,789
are lied to on a very frequent basis I

971
00:45:34,259 --> 00:45:31,779
think you deny that and it gets to be

972
00:45:36,269 --> 00:45:34,269
very discouraging them what what is

973
00:45:38,579 --> 00:45:36,279
everyone gonna grow up you know it's

974
00:45:40,620 --> 00:45:38,589
they're not you know I don't know it's

975
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:40,630
just you know you you actually make some

976
00:45:44,370 --> 00:45:42,970
excellent points obviously and yes we

977
00:45:46,829 --> 00:45:44,380
should be listening to you and yes

978
00:45:48,839 --> 00:45:46,839
enjoying what time we have left since

979
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:48,849
we've already messed it up beyond hope

980
00:45:53,970 --> 00:45:52,089
and yet everyone is gonna go on as if

981
00:45:55,739 --> 00:45:53,980
nothing's going I mean looking begging

982
00:45:59,609 --> 00:45:55,749
I'm sure people aren't moving out of the

983
00:46:02,880 --> 00:45:59,619
city Jerry Hall Jerry Hall Mick Jagger's

984
00:46:06,359 --> 00:46:02,890
former wife high fashion model yeah has

985
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:06,369
gotten engaged to Rupert Murdoch now if

986
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:08,319
that isn't a sellout for the buck I

987
00:46:11,789 --> 00:46:10,089
don't know what is yeah but at least he

988
00:46:14,489 --> 00:46:11,799
didn't go with some young chick I mean

989
00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:14,499
she's got to be pushing 60 she has to be

990
00:46:19,289 --> 00:46:16,569
jackets up in his seventh yes she is but

991
00:46:26,339 --> 00:46:19,299
come on so you think he's marrying her

992
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:26,349
for money yeah I think she's got a few

993
00:46:34,229 --> 00:46:31,450
oxygen tanks and in any case she's a

994
00:46:34,990 --> 00:46:34,239
really intelligent fun person have you

995
00:46:37,330 --> 00:46:35,000
ever seen

996
00:46:39,250 --> 00:46:37,340
yes yes I have and she's she's

997
00:46:42,670 --> 00:46:39,260
interesting I see what makes saw in her

998
00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:42,680
and she's certainly not stupid maybe he

999
00:46:52,830 --> 00:46:45,110
wanted to have a good conversation for a

1000
00:46:57,790 --> 00:46:55,390
what I was going to say about you have a

1001
00:47:00,010 --> 00:46:57,800
couple of articles on your website that

1002
00:47:02,740 --> 00:47:00,020
I wanted to see if you thought would be

1003
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:02,750
worthwhile directing people to one of

1004
00:47:07,330 --> 00:47:05,090
which was I believe is called preparing

1005
00:47:11,530 --> 00:47:07,340
in place and the other one has to do

1006
00:47:14,170 --> 00:47:11,540
with preparing like Moberly for the

1007
00:47:18,670 --> 00:47:14,180
effects of climate change if you happen

1008
00:47:20,860 --> 00:47:18,680
to still be alive yeah I mean you can

1009
00:47:23,260 --> 00:47:20,870
you can just use the search words in the

1010
00:47:25,420 --> 00:47:23,270
search box at nature bats last that's

1011
00:47:26,860 --> 00:47:25,430
guy McPherson dot-com so you type in guy

1012
00:47:28,810 --> 00:47:26,870
McPherson calm and it doesn't even

1013
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:28,820
matter if you spell it wrong it it keeps

1014
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:31,010
you in the same neighborhood and then

1015
00:47:36,250 --> 00:47:34,130
the first thing you see is the line that

1016
00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:36,260
says nature bats last our days are

1017
00:47:39,070 --> 00:47:37,730
numbered passionately pursue a life of

1018
00:47:41,950 --> 00:47:39,080
excellence and just to the right of that

1019
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:41,960
it says enter search keyword so if you

1020
00:47:45,220 --> 00:47:43,250
want to find that as a preparing in

1021
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:45,230
place you just type in preparing in

1022
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:48,290
place and hit return and I imagine it'll

1023
00:47:53,500 --> 00:47:50,240
be the first thing that comes up yes

1024
00:47:56,740 --> 00:47:53,510
because I thought that people would like

1025
00:48:00,070 --> 00:47:56,750
to take a look at that particularly and

1026
00:48:04,090 --> 00:48:00,080
I also note something else that you

1027
00:48:06,850 --> 00:48:04,100
wrote down there about folks not

1028
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:06,860
committing suicide and though that

1029
00:48:12,730 --> 00:48:10,010
people have the right to do that and do

1030
00:48:15,580 --> 00:48:12,740
you think that people should keep

1031
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:15,590
something aside for themselves should

1032
00:48:22,270 --> 00:48:19,130
things become really dismal as in people

1033
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:22,280
rating and cannibalizing they might want

1034
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:24,170
to end you might want to end things a

1035
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:27,170
little bit sooner it yeah I get that

1036
00:48:31,420 --> 00:48:30,170
right or am i totally off no that's

1037
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:31,430
that's a perfectly reasonable question

1038
00:48:35,950 --> 00:48:33,530
in fact when you go to guy McPherson

1039
00:48:37,870 --> 00:48:35,960
calm there's a little one-minute video

1040
00:48:40,180 --> 00:48:37,880
clip of me in the right hand column and

1041
00:48:43,420 --> 00:48:40,190
just below that it says contemplating

1042
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:43,430
suicide please read this and you click

1043
00:48:47,890 --> 00:48:46,970
that this is just a very very short for

1044
00:48:49,569 --> 00:48:47,900
sentence essay

1045
00:48:51,940 --> 00:48:49,579
says if you're contemplating suicide

1046
00:48:55,210 --> 00:48:51,950
please reconsider and then click here

1047
00:48:58,329 --> 00:48:55,220
for awareness prevention and support on

1048
00:49:00,609 --> 00:48:58,339
the topic of suicide I'm not advocating

1049
00:49:03,490 --> 00:49:00,619
for or against a suicide I'm

1050
00:49:05,620 --> 00:49:03,500
non-judgmental about the issue I agree

1051
00:49:06,910 --> 00:49:05,630
with Archbishop Desmond Tutu that every

1052
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:06,920
human being has right to make the

1053
00:49:14,170 --> 00:49:10,010
decision to end his or her own life and

1054
00:49:16,599 --> 00:49:14,180
and then I include a link to to an essay

1055
00:49:17,950 --> 00:49:16,609
by a guy named Martin mainly and I say

1056
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:17,960
it can be thought a thoughtful decision

1057
00:49:26,019 --> 00:49:21,680
is illustrated by Martin Manley so I

1058
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:26,029
think depriving people of the right to

1059
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:30,490
in their own life is utterly absurd and

1060
00:49:35,559 --> 00:49:32,960
to use a word we never use in this

1061
00:49:38,019 --> 00:49:35,569
culture wrong yes I'm not gonna say

1062
00:49:42,010 --> 00:49:38,029
inappropriate here I'm gonna say wrong I

1063
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,020
would agree and and and so I don't think

1064
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:44,480
that we should deny people the right to

1065
00:49:49,839 --> 00:49:47,359
in their own lives we didn't have any

1066
00:49:51,039 --> 00:49:49,849
decision about coming into this world we

1067
00:49:53,980 --> 00:49:51,049
didn't have any did we just showed up

1068
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:53,990
and for some people it's absolute misery

1069
00:50:02,309 --> 00:49:59,359
every day do do I promote people living

1070
00:50:06,370 --> 00:50:02,319
miserable lives against their own wishes

1071
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:06,380
for even longer no of course not

1072
00:50:10,180 --> 00:50:08,210
you know if you're if you're being

1073
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:10,190
tortured and people are actually

1074
00:50:15,339 --> 00:50:13,130
tortured by entities such as the United

1075
00:50:18,430 --> 00:50:15,349
States government and if you're being

1076
00:50:19,779 --> 00:50:18,440
tortured I'll bat that and you know I

1077
00:50:21,849 --> 00:50:19,789
haven't been subjected to this kind of

1078
00:50:23,230 --> 00:50:21,859
torture so I can't say for sure but I'd

1079
00:50:24,910 --> 00:50:23,240
be willing to bet that a lot of people

1080
00:50:27,549 --> 00:50:24,920
who are being tortured would rather die

1081
00:50:31,089 --> 00:50:27,559
and just be done with it I would suspect

1082
00:50:34,299 --> 00:50:31,099
so and and I think the United States is

1083
00:50:37,329 --> 00:50:34,309
one of the few countries where people on

1084
00:50:40,510 --> 00:50:37,339
some level expect to live forever in

1085
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:40,520
Europe people do not spend their entire

1086
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:44,720
legacy fortune whatever on end care in

1087
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:47,170
other words what happens to them between

1088
00:50:55,569 --> 00:50:52,010
85 and 87 when they're in a decline they

1089
00:50:57,519 --> 00:50:55,579
don't spend every penny on perpetuating

1090
00:51:01,029 --> 00:50:57,529
this life which is not going to work out

1091
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:01,039
let's face it at that juncture but they

1092
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:01,970
chew

1093
00:51:06,340 --> 00:51:04,490
they choose to end their own lives and

1094
00:51:08,980 --> 00:51:06,350
they are supported by the government in

1095
00:51:12,370 --> 00:51:08,990
doing that which i think is much more

1096
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:12,380
humane than forcing somebody to live on

1097
00:51:16,660 --> 00:51:14,690
as a vegetable or whatever that wasn't

1098
00:51:18,670 --> 00:51:16,670
exactly what I was talking about though

1099
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:18,680
I like everything else I have an opinion

1100
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:22,370
on it but what I was talking about is a

1101
00:51:29,860 --> 00:51:27,920
in and an end time scenario where things

1102
00:51:33,220 --> 00:51:29,870
have really gotten out of hand and it's

1103
00:51:36,300 --> 00:51:33,230
clear that the environment is going

1104
00:51:39,660 --> 00:51:36,310
downhill and people are revolting maybe

1105
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:39,670
looking for supplies raiding your home

1106
00:51:45,580 --> 00:51:43,280
maybe even engaging in cannibalism it

1107
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:45,590
might be a possibility that somebody

1108
00:51:53,830 --> 00:51:50,290
might want to have a supply of some

1109
00:51:56,370 --> 00:51:53,840
something on hand to to deliver

1110
00:51:58,720 --> 00:51:56,380
themselves from that eventualities

1111
00:52:00,010 --> 00:51:58,730
that's what I was talking about you

1112
00:52:01,750 --> 00:52:00,020
don't have to comment on that if you

1113
00:52:04,570 --> 00:52:01,760
don't want maybe for legal reasons you

1114
00:52:07,330 --> 00:52:04,580
would prefer not to like maybe I've dug

1115
00:52:10,540 --> 00:52:07,340
my own legal well I think what you what

1116
00:52:12,610 --> 00:52:10,550
you were saying is hmm do I stay here

1117
00:52:17,010 --> 00:52:12,620
and get cannibalize or do I just take a

1118
00:52:21,610 --> 00:52:19,660
you bring up a good point in in other

1119
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:21,620
cultures they don't have this obsession

1120
00:52:27,310 --> 00:52:23,920
with living forever

1121
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:27,320
we mostly act as if we're never going to

1122
00:52:31,690 --> 00:52:29,690
die and we put it off as long as

1123
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:31,700
possible I'm reminded of a quote from

1124
00:52:35,410 --> 00:52:34,160
Woody Allen I am Not Afraid of dying I

1125
00:52:35,950 --> 00:52:35,420
just don't want to be there what

1126
00:52:37,660 --> 00:52:35,960
happened

1127
00:52:40,150 --> 00:52:37,670
that was one of my favorite all-time

1128
00:52:42,130 --> 00:52:40,160
quotes I actually do want to be there

1129
00:52:44,830 --> 00:52:42,140
when it happens because I want to see if

1130
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:44,840
something if somebody comes for me like

1131
00:52:49,780 --> 00:52:47,570
like you know what there's a near-death

1132
00:52:56,500 --> 00:52:49,790
experience type stuff Oh shouldn't I

1133
00:52:58,330 --> 00:52:56,510
tend to have different expectations and

1134
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:58,340
my point and reason that quote is that I

1135
00:53:04,330 --> 00:53:01,040
think Woody Allen was merely reflecting

1136
00:53:07,540 --> 00:53:04,340
the dominant culture yeah yes that death

1137
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:07,550
is for other people right right it's not

1138
00:53:10,270 --> 00:53:08,810
gonna happen I don't want to be there

1139
00:53:12,700 --> 00:53:10,280
when it happens and therefore it's not

1140
00:53:14,890 --> 00:53:12,710
gonna happen to me that's what he seems

1141
00:53:16,540 --> 00:53:14,900
to me that's the American mentality or

1142
00:53:18,730 --> 00:53:16,550
maybe he just didn't want to go through

1143
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:18,740
all the pain and suffering that goes

1144
00:53:22,900 --> 00:53:20,960
along with it just like one second you

1145
00:53:25,210 --> 00:53:22,910
there and next second you're not but you

1146
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:25,220
know I you know first I just if you

1147
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:27,440
don't mind me rambling all over the

1148
00:53:38,350 --> 00:53:30,530
place like you do expect there's an

1149
00:53:41,110 --> 00:53:38,360
afterlife right maybe looking for the

1150
00:53:43,630 --> 00:53:41,120
light a change in some and and being

1151
00:53:46,090 --> 00:53:43,640
absorbed into the cosmic oneness okay so

1152
00:53:49,720 --> 00:53:46,100
alright let's say Ferruccio was correct

1153
00:53:52,210 --> 00:53:49,730
in that and that within a week six

1154
00:53:55,690 --> 00:53:52,220
billion or however many souls go into

1155
00:53:58,570 --> 00:53:55,700
the force if you will right wow that

1156
00:54:00,880 --> 00:53:58,580
would be interesting yeah well any

1157
00:54:03,580 --> 00:54:00,890
interesting I think we've taken poor mr.

1158
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:03,590
Macpherson dr. oh I'm sorry no don't be

1159
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:06,170
sorry please up far off his track here

1160
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:08,210
but you know please feel welcome to

1161
00:54:19,690 --> 00:54:12,050
comment on that I'm frequently taken off

1162
00:54:22,690 --> 00:54:19,700
my track yeah you told in American

1163
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:22,700
College why not for for me as a

1164
00:54:29,770 --> 00:54:27,530
scientist I just go in that doesn't this

1165
00:54:38,620 --> 00:54:29,780
unit her into my thought process it

1166
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:38,630
doesn't enter into my analyses I'm

1167
00:54:42,780 --> 00:54:40,370
referring to Buddhism as a philosophy

1168
00:54:45,610 --> 00:54:42,790
not as a religion I understand but still

1169
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:45,620
even philosophies are based on some

1170
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:48,530
thought of something yes I just don't

1171
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:50,570
arise out of nowhere and for many

1172
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:52,010
thousands of years philosophy and

1173
00:54:56,350 --> 00:54:54,170
science were one and the same thing it's

1174
00:54:59,290 --> 00:54:56,360
a shame that that little duality

1175
00:55:03,490 --> 00:54:59,300
happened exactly and now you'd never

1176
00:55:03,850 --> 00:55:03,500
know that they were twins did you at

1177
00:55:05,410 --> 00:55:03,860
first

1178
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:05,420
but did you read that book by year

1179
00:55:12,100 --> 00:55:09,770
Wilson conciliar did that was that that

1180
00:55:15,130 --> 00:55:12,110
is one of the really unrecognized

1181
00:55:18,100 --> 00:55:15,140
geniuses absolutely it was a wonderful

1182
00:55:20,970 --> 00:55:18,110
book and back in the 60s he he was

1183
00:55:24,790 --> 00:55:20,980
talking about this back in the 60s about

1184
00:55:28,570 --> 00:55:24,800
bio and environmentalism and the effects

1185
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:28,580
of all that really yes he's a one

1186
00:55:35,230 --> 00:55:31,370
for conservation biologists and you know

1187
00:55:37,180 --> 00:55:35,240
I'm honored to share the same title with

1188
00:55:39,220 --> 00:55:37,190
him or description that of being a

1189
00:55:41,710 --> 00:55:39,230
conservation biologist well and you talk

1190
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:41,720
about how the world has changed too and

1191
00:55:47,710 --> 00:55:44,570
he was talking about his boyhood how he

1192
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:47,720
would go out and just you know bring

1193
00:55:52,620 --> 00:55:50,090
home ants and frogs and every other

1194
00:55:55,510 --> 00:55:52,630
living thing and his mother used to

1195
00:55:57,970 --> 00:55:55,520
probably run for the hills but you know

1196
00:55:59,800 --> 00:55:57,980
the children just don't do that anymore

1197
00:56:03,250 --> 00:55:59,810
you know they you'd be hard-pressed to

1198
00:56:07,090 --> 00:56:03,260
find a frog today yeah but you know I

1199
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:07,100
mean how he was he was just by nature he

1200
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:09,770
was a biologist and a fuel biologist and

1201
00:56:13,390 --> 00:56:11,690
he'd just go out there and hunt these

1202
00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:13,400
things out and just try to figure out

1203
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:16,250
and then his book on ants and all it you

1204
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:18,610
know but you just don't get that

1205
00:56:23,050 --> 00:56:20,720
first-hand experience with nature

1206
00:56:25,540 --> 00:56:23,060
anymore everything's done in the lab and

1207
00:56:27,790 --> 00:56:25,550
it's down in a cellular level now or as

1208
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:27,800
you said on a molecular level and and

1209
00:56:32,140 --> 00:56:30,050
you missed the whole picture maybe

1210
00:56:34,930 --> 00:56:32,150
that's part of the problem you're right

1211
00:56:37,180 --> 00:56:34,940
it's it's very uncommon for kids to

1212
00:56:38,950 --> 00:56:37,190
spend much time time outdoors anymore my

1213
00:56:40,570 --> 00:56:38,960
wife and I were just commenting less

1214
00:56:43,210 --> 00:56:40,580
than a week ago as we were looking out

1215
00:56:46,260 --> 00:56:43,220
the big south-facing windows on our

1216
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:46,270
house on the homestead here and we saw

1217
00:56:51,130 --> 00:56:48,890
four of the neighborhood kids run by

1218
00:56:53,290 --> 00:56:51,140
along the irrigation ditch the big

1219
00:56:55,570 --> 00:56:53,300
irrigation ditch that is about a hundred

1220
00:56:57,550 --> 00:56:55,580
feet in front of the house and and they

1221
00:57:00,700 --> 00:56:57,560
were jumping into the ditch and grabbing

1222
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:00,710
frogs and bugs and so on and it occurred

1223
00:57:05,500 --> 00:57:03,050
to us that this is the only place we've

1224
00:57:08,410 --> 00:57:05,510
seen that yeah it's sort of activity

1225
00:57:10,450 --> 00:57:08,420
since we were children ourselves yeah

1226
00:57:13,630 --> 00:57:10,460
you know and that's been a long time

1227
00:57:16,750 --> 00:57:13,640
since we were children ourselves it's

1228
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:16,760
been 40 years since we were doing that

1229
00:57:21,730 --> 00:57:19,610
yeah and we haven't seen it along the

1230
00:57:23,470 --> 00:57:21,740
way any of the many places we've lived

1231
00:57:24,910 --> 00:57:23,480
we haven't seen that and we've lived

1232
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:24,920
into urban areas and we've lived in

1233
00:57:28,690 --> 00:57:26,960
rural areas and so there's something

1234
00:57:31,620 --> 00:57:28,700
really quite special about this place

1235
00:57:33,850 --> 00:57:31,630
and about the the high level of rurality

1236
00:57:37,180 --> 00:57:33,860
associated this is a very rural place

1237
00:57:39,670 --> 00:57:37,190
and and kids kids are not only allowed

1238
00:57:41,470 --> 00:57:39,680
to go outside they're encouraged to go

1239
00:57:42,609 --> 00:57:41,480
outside and spend time there well that's

1240
00:57:44,829 --> 00:57:42,619
one

1241
00:57:46,839 --> 00:57:44,839
it's free-range children well well

1242
00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:46,849
that's that's human habitat and I think

1243
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:48,559
that's what we've gotten away from I may

1244
00:57:53,650 --> 00:57:51,170
forget global climate change I mean just

1245
00:57:56,739 --> 00:57:53,660
as you said civilization itself has

1246
00:57:59,440 --> 00:57:56,749
encroached on habitats because children

1247
00:58:01,539 --> 00:57:59,450
to still go I'm sure it happened to you

1248
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:01,549
too for sure when school was out you

1249
00:58:05,739 --> 00:58:03,650
know you got your your bowl of

1250
00:58:07,539 --> 00:58:05,749
cornflakes in the morning and we're

1251
00:58:09,970 --> 00:58:07,549
expected home around when it got dark

1252
00:58:12,099 --> 00:58:09,980
right right did not come home until then

1253
00:58:14,319 --> 00:58:12,109
right and got your water looking at her

1254
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:14,329
puddles I am always telling my clients

1255
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:17,359
to bring their children to nature in

1256
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:21,440
some way because kids are just stuck

1257
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:24,730
with that stupid game you know advice

1258
00:58:31,210 --> 00:58:28,640
you look devices and I'm not given any

1259
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:31,220
freedom whatsoever to learn on their own

1260
00:58:37,870 --> 00:58:36,650
and it is it is kind of criminal before

1261
00:58:42,279 --> 00:58:37,880
we let you go

1262
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:42,289
and speaking somewhat of the different

1263
00:58:48,130 --> 00:58:46,130
parts of science being not meeting one

1264
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:48,140
another somewhere and and in the

1265
00:58:54,849 --> 00:58:51,410
research are you aware that the

1266
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:54,859
gentleman from your University I think

1267
00:59:00,430 --> 00:58:57,650
last name of Krause came up with a

1268
00:59:02,589 --> 00:59:00,440
digital wave he measured digital waves

1269
00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:02,599
coming from the United States of

1270
00:59:09,069 --> 00:59:06,319
gravitation gravitational waves crosses

1271
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:09,079
crosses at Arizona State University I am

1272
00:59:11,979 --> 00:59:10,400
affiliated with the University of

1273
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:11,989
Arizona I'm professor emeritus at the

1274
00:59:17,079 --> 00:59:13,730
University of Arizona but I made that

1275
00:59:20,620 --> 00:59:17,089
mistake no no it's fine but yes I'm

1276
00:59:26,380 --> 00:59:20,630
familiar with his work and and he's one

1277
00:59:31,779 --> 00:59:26,390
of the shining lights of the what's

1278
00:59:34,809 --> 00:59:31,789
called the secular humanism movement of

1279
00:59:38,259 --> 00:59:34,819
the skeptics movement because of the

1280
00:59:40,089 --> 00:59:38,269
research research he does I've heard his

1281
00:59:42,039 --> 00:59:40,099
name before but I just heard that he

1282
00:59:45,339 --> 00:59:42,049
discovered something interesting about

1283
00:59:48,700 --> 00:59:45,349
gravitational waves emanating fraud that

1284
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:48,710
makes gravitation a wave rather than

1285
00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:50,480
another sort of property and somehow

1286
00:59:54,290 --> 00:59:53,119
this is upsetting the entire apple cart

1287
00:59:59,450 --> 00:59:54,300
of

1288
01:00:01,790 --> 00:59:59,460
that for another shattered reality we

1289
01:00:04,340 --> 01:00:01,800
can have professor Krauss on to defend

1290
01:00:07,370 --> 01:00:04,350
maybe maybe not

1291
01:00:11,090 --> 01:00:07,380
but thank you so much you've been a

1292
01:00:13,550 --> 01:00:11,100
wonderful guest and I I cannot thank you

1293
01:00:17,690 --> 01:00:13,560
enough and we hope that our listeners

1294
01:00:20,060 --> 01:00:17,700
will go to your website

1295
01:00:22,310 --> 01:00:20,070
beyond hi Macpherson calm and listen to

1296
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:22,320
nature bats last I've listened to a few

1297
01:00:27,380 --> 01:00:24,930
of them and they are very very

1298
01:00:29,690 --> 01:00:27,390
illuminating thank you so much yeah

1299
01:00:31,970 --> 01:00:29,700
really was really fascinating I really

1300
01:00:33,380 --> 01:00:31,980
appreciate it thank you both I very much

1301
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:33,390
appreciate it as well it's been a real

1302
01:00:44,540 --> 01:00:42,620
to finish up today on a different note

1303
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:44,550
first of all I want to thank our

1304
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:47,520
wonderful engineer Bill Murray DS for

1305
01:00:52,810 --> 01:00:49,200
the great job that he does for us here

1306
01:00:57,230 --> 01:00:52,820
at shattered reality but we have another

1307
01:01:01,370 --> 01:00:57,240
another interesting little PostScript

1308
01:01:08,210 --> 01:01:01,380
here that one of our listeners has a

1309
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:08,220
very nicely told me a story of her

1310
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:11,520
bilocation experiences she did not know

1311
01:01:18,140 --> 01:01:14,250
that what had happened to her was called

1312
01:01:20,450 --> 01:01:18,150
bilocation which is one by location is

1313
01:01:22,460 --> 01:01:20,460
being in two places at one time or

1314
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:22,470
appearing to be in two places at one

1315
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:23,250
time

1316
01:01:29,450 --> 01:01:26,850
and it's something that is goes back in

1317
01:01:31,370 --> 01:01:29,460
the literature there are examples of it

1318
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:31,380
in the nineteenth century kind of

1319
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:34,530
psychic literature of the the British

1320
01:01:39,470 --> 01:01:37,170
psychic Research Institute and so forth

1321
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:39,480
I can't bring up any exempt ones of

1322
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:43,440
those though I think that Douglas Hume

1323
01:01:51,020 --> 01:01:47,730
spelled home2 had had had some

1324
01:01:54,580 --> 01:01:51,030
experiences with by location but this

1325
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:54,590
listener who is also my friend

1326
01:02:01,340 --> 01:01:59,280
she comes from Romania and she came here

1327
01:02:03,260 --> 01:02:01,350
as a young adult to the United States

1328
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:03,270
over the age of 20 she had already

1329
01:02:07,710 --> 01:02:05,970
graduated from university and so forth

1330
01:02:09,210 --> 01:02:07,720
but she lived in Romania

1331
01:02:11,730 --> 01:02:09,220
I would say at least for the first 25

1332
01:02:15,390 --> 01:02:11,740
years of her life and in her

1333
01:02:21,410 --> 01:02:15,400
professional career she was a geologist

1334
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:21,420
and did a lot of work as a surveyor in

1335
01:02:30,089 --> 01:02:24,010
as a as a graduate student than a

1336
01:02:34,650 --> 01:02:30,099
surveyor and she was on a trip uh there

1337
01:02:36,630 --> 01:02:34,660
are two different experiences of

1338
01:02:39,300 --> 01:02:36,640
bilocation that she had I'm gonna read

1339
01:02:41,700 --> 01:02:39,310
them okay from my notes here which is

1340
01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:41,710
directly from her on a trip to the

1341
01:02:48,359 --> 01:02:45,609
seaside spent she spent an evening with

1342
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:48,369
an old friend reminiscing about things

1343
01:02:54,599 --> 01:02:52,090
and smoking a bit too much she says she

1344
01:02:56,599 --> 01:02:54,609
doesn't tolerate smoking well and at the

1345
01:02:59,609 --> 01:02:56,609
end of the day was feeling very

1346
01:03:03,120 --> 01:02:59,619
nauseated and out of sorts she went to

1347
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:03,130
bed feeling very lousy the following day

1348
01:03:08,910 --> 01:03:06,130
she went home and her grandmother who

1349
01:03:11,970 --> 01:03:08,920
lived with her in the same house said

1350
01:03:14,910 --> 01:03:11,980
that she had seen her passing through

1351
01:03:17,460 --> 01:03:14,920
her bedroom during the night white late

1352
01:03:20,310 --> 01:03:17,470
at night and that the grandmother spoke

1353
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:20,320
to her and she didn't respond and she

1354
01:03:26,070 --> 01:03:22,570
thought that my friend had been

1355
01:03:30,180 --> 01:03:26,080
extremely rude now we all know about

1356
01:03:33,630 --> 01:03:30,190
walking in your sleep but she was many

1357
01:03:36,060 --> 01:03:33,640
kilometers away at the seaside and there

1358
01:03:37,829 --> 01:03:36,070
was no way she could have walked home as

1359
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:37,839
a sleepwalker and walked through her

1360
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:39,970
grandmother's bedroom well we could say

1361
01:03:45,300 --> 01:03:42,130
this was an elderly lady should have

1362
01:03:48,500 --> 01:03:45,310
been taken whatever however the second

1363
01:03:51,089 --> 01:03:48,510
experience she had tops the first

1364
01:03:53,630 --> 01:03:51,099
remember I told you she was a geologist

1365
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:53,640
and did surveying so forth so on a

1366
01:03:59,520 --> 01:03:56,650
geological field trip assignment to make

1367
01:04:03,660 --> 01:03:59,530
a map of a river valley in a remote area

1368
01:04:05,670 --> 01:04:03,670
of guess where Romania Transylvania okay

1369
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:05,680
which is of course in Romania and

1370
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:10,930
Bulgaria - both - both countries but in

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01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:13,210
in a remote area in Transylvania on a

1372
01:04:18,390 --> 01:04:15,520
River Vale valley they were working in

1373
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:18,400
groups of three on the day that this

1374
01:04:21,350 --> 01:04:20,890
happened she had stayed behind in her

1375
01:04:24,750 --> 01:04:21,360
hotel

1376
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:24,760
SiC with the bad Colt and never leaving

1377
01:04:30,060 --> 01:04:27,370
the room now bear in mind again the

1378
01:04:32,370 --> 01:04:30,070
hotel room is not at the same location

1379
01:04:34,590 --> 01:04:32,380
as the remote River Valley they had to

1380
01:04:36,930 --> 01:04:34,600
take a jeep for some such vehicle up

1381
01:04:40,950 --> 01:04:36,940
into the River Valley and it was far

1382
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:40,960
away from right no sidewalks shall we

1383
01:04:47,250 --> 01:04:44,410
say so she stayed home and her two

1384
01:04:50,580 --> 01:04:47,260
colleagues came back from the long trip

1385
01:04:54,030 --> 01:04:50,590
and they were very mad at her asking

1386
01:04:57,300 --> 01:04:54,040
what she was doing on the opposite

1387
01:04:59,430 --> 01:04:57,310
riverbank that day now again I have to

1388
01:05:01,590 --> 01:04:59,440
say there aren't any people to speak of

1389
01:05:04,110 --> 01:05:01,600
in this River Valley there you know the

1390
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:04,120
idea of seeing one person would be a lot

1391
01:05:10,830 --> 01:05:07,690
and it would probably be some villager

1392
01:05:13,260 --> 01:05:10,840
or not look like my friend who is a

1393
01:05:14,850 --> 01:05:13,270
modern woman with makeup you know the

1394
01:05:18,030 --> 01:05:14,860
whole nine yards

1395
01:05:21,930 --> 01:05:18,040
so that's interesting she said twice

1396
01:05:25,170 --> 01:05:21,940
then twice and she said that the being

1397
01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:25,180
that was seen did not even answer hmm

1398
01:05:31,350 --> 01:05:28,240
when they waved at her when I when she

1399
01:05:33,870 --> 01:05:31,360
protested saying I did not go out that

1400
01:05:36,090 --> 01:05:33,880
day at all both of them said that they

1401
01:05:39,570 --> 01:05:36,100
had seen me and described the clothes

1402
01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:39,580
that she was wearing in the field which

1403
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:42,160
was flaming red pants and a striped

1404
01:05:46,830 --> 01:05:44,890
t-shirt hard to be mistaken for anyone

1405
01:05:50,780 --> 01:05:46,840
else since that was the same clothes she

1406
01:05:55,950 --> 01:05:53,100
they said that she seemed to be

1407
01:05:59,070 --> 01:05:55,960
completely ignoring them and just

1408
01:06:01,050 --> 01:05:59,080
continued walking and and she says here

1409
01:06:03,890 --> 01:06:01,060
it could hardly have been someone else

1410
01:06:06,750 --> 01:06:03,900
since this was a geological and

1411
01:06:10,470 --> 01:06:06,760
experiment in an unpopulated and

1412
01:06:12,570 --> 01:06:10,480
deserted part of the mountain so there

1413
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:12,580
you go that is kind of a very

1414
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:15,250
interesting first-hand description of

1415
01:06:21,660 --> 01:06:18,610
something paranormal happening to one of

1416
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:21,670
our our listeners here and she also

1417
01:06:28,890 --> 01:06:23,650
reports and we've talked about this

1418
01:06:31,110 --> 01:06:28,900
together the commonalities of the two

1419
01:06:33,390 --> 01:06:31,120
events were not feeling well probably

1420
01:06:34,650 --> 01:06:33,400
wishing she was somewhere else not

1421
01:06:37,710 --> 01:06:34,660
speaking when

1422
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:37,720
spoken to with her grandmother's she

1423
01:06:42,930 --> 01:06:40,330
says the thought about her being old and

1424
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:42,940
imagining things comes up but when both

1425
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:45,490
of her colleagues couldn't swear that

1426
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:48,250
they saw her she became very curious

1427
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:50,530
about what it all means

1428
01:06:54,780 --> 01:06:52,810
in addition and somewhat related she

1429
01:06:57,420 --> 01:06:54,790
says during college in the classroom

1430
01:07:00,270 --> 01:06:57,430
frantically taking notes when all of a

1431
01:07:03,180 --> 01:07:00,280
sudden she could see the entire room as

1432
01:07:05,790 --> 01:07:03,190
if she were viewing it from the ceiling

1433
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:05,800
above she saw herself bent over her

1434
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:08,050
notebook writing and at the same time

1435
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:12,160
thinking is this effort worth it and the

1436
01:07:21,110 --> 01:07:14,290
bigger scheme of things all this school

1437
01:07:23,730 --> 01:07:21,120
work effort she tried to she tried to

1438
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:23,740
she tried to replicate it but could not

1439
01:07:31,530 --> 01:07:28,810
okay so interesting yeah huh so thank

1440
01:07:33,900 --> 01:07:31,540
you Adriana for sharing that with us and

1441
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:33,910
I was gonna say please if anyone else

1442
01:07:38,970 --> 01:07:36,370
has experiences like this please let us

1443
01:07:42,060 --> 01:07:38,980
know and how would they get that into us

1444
01:07:45,270 --> 01:07:42,070
well they can go to either one of our

1445
01:07:48,180 --> 01:07:45,280
websites write shattered reality dot-com

1446
01:07:53,540 --> 01:07:48,190
or shattered reality dot wordpress.com

1447
01:07:56,850 --> 01:07:53,550
and make a comment on any of our podcast

1448
01:07:58,770 --> 01:07:56,860
areas and I will definitely get it and

1449
01:08:01,320 --> 01:07:58,780
especially with Professor Macpherson's

1450
01:08:03,150 --> 01:08:01,330
comments today I mean that it's got in

1451
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:03,160
it given somebody out there a few

1452
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:05,170
thoughts about things we'd love to know

1453
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:07,210
what they are we've gotten a few

1454
01:08:12,540 --> 01:08:10,210
comments recently but nothing that I can

1455
01:08:14,970 --> 01:08:12,550
really elucidate to any great extent

1456
01:08:16,650 --> 01:08:14,980
here at this juncture I don't have them

1457
01:08:20,010 --> 01:08:16,660
in front of me they're nothing pertinent

1458
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:20,020
to today's podcast which I was it's

1459
01:08:23,270 --> 01:08:21,730
really something that you have to give

1460
01:08:26,430 --> 01:08:23,280
some thought to what do you think I

1461
01:08:27,690 --> 01:08:26,440
don't want to think about it because you

1462
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:27,700
know if it's gonna happen it's gonna

1463
01:08:31,170 --> 01:08:29,410
happen it's like yes you may be in an

1464
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:31,180
automobile accident someday but do you

1465
01:08:36,750 --> 01:08:33,210
plan your whole life around as he said

1466
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:36,760
it's gonna happen we are gonna die maybe

1467
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:39,250
we all die on Mars so maybe singly but

1468
01:08:44,130 --> 01:08:40,810
even it's gonna happen sooner or later

1469
01:08:46,710 --> 01:08:44,140
so what time you have enjoy I'm reminded

1470
01:08:48,539 --> 01:08:46,720
of the peanuts the pea comic you know by

1471
01:08:51,950 --> 01:08:48,549
Schultz at all shows yeah

1472
01:08:55,169 --> 01:08:51,960
and it's a picture of it's a picture of

1473
01:08:58,410 --> 01:08:55,179
Snoopy and Charlie Brown sitting

1474
01:09:00,269 --> 01:08:58,420
side-by-side on a on a hillside looking

1475
01:09:03,059 --> 01:09:00,279
out at the nature and so forth and

1476
01:09:06,299 --> 01:09:03,069
Charlie Brown looks very very serious

1477
01:09:08,789 --> 01:09:06,309
and he says Snoopy someday I'm going to

1478
01:09:11,459 --> 01:09:08,799
die mm-hmm and he's very sad

1479
01:09:14,579 --> 01:09:11,469
Snoopy looks at him and says other days

1480
01:09:17,700 --> 01:09:14,589
you're not that's a happy note

1481
01:09:20,519 --> 01:09:17,710
let's end this podcast on a happy note

1482
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:20,529
okay all right thank you so much for

1483
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:22,329
listening Cape Valentine here saying